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Call For The Hall: The Western Conference


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Do you have the NBA Lockout blues?  We feel your pain and have a cure for you.  The Hoops Manifesto has gathered together Bloguin’s best basketball writers to determine which current NBA players have done enough to ensure entry into the hallowed halls of the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame.  Next up:  The Western Conference.

Voting panel: Jeff Fox from The Hoops Manifesto, College Wolf and Dan Bonk from the TWolves Blog, Don & brumbygg from With Malice and Ezra from the Purple and Gold Blog. 

The Locks

These Western Conference players are such sure things for the Hall of Fame that we aren’t even going to waste virtual ink debating it:

Kobe Bryant
Pau Gasol
Steve Nash
Tim Duncan
Jason Kidd
Dirk Nowitzki

The Toss-Ups

These Western Conference players are worth debating on whether they are Hall of Fame-worthy yet or not:

Deron Williams (since we forgot to include him in the Eastern story) – Utah Jazz, New Jersey Nets – 2005 – present

Career NBA Averages: 17.2 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 9.2 apg, 1.1 spg

NBA Accomplishments:

- sixth all-time in assists per game in NBA history
- two-time NBA All-Star
- NBA All-Rookie Team
- two-time All-NBA selection

International Accomplishments:

- 2008 Olympic gold medalist

NCAA Accomplishments:

- third team All-American

Hall of Fame Consensus: OUT

OUT.  He’s on his way, but not there yet.  Unless the swamps of New Jersey swallows up his game, he’ll be in the Hall when he retires.” – Jeff Fox

OUT.  Too early for him, but I like his chances.” – College Wolf

OUT.  Too early to be in any HOF talk.” – Ezra

OUT.  Too early.  But I still believe he’s the best PG in the game.” – Dan Bonk

“Is it just me, or are there a lot of guys here who have no business being discussed? Deron goes in after Camby. OUT.” – brumbygg

“It’s difficult, but at this point in time I don’t think D-Will’s done enough to warrant inclusion… tho’ I think by the time all’s said and done, he’ll most likely achieve enough to come close.  But for now: no.  OUT.” – Don 

Grant Hill – Detroit Pistons, Orlando Magic, Phoenix Suns – 1994 – 2003, 2004 – present

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Career NBA Averages: 17.5 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 4.3 apg, 1.3 spg

NBA Accomplishments: 

- seven-time NBA All-Star
- five-time All-NBA selection
- NBA Rookie of the Year
- NBA All-Rookie Team

International Accomplishments:

- 1996 Olympic gold medalist

NCAA Accomplishments:

- member of two NCAA championship teams
- two-time All-American (first team and third team)

Hall of Fame Consensus: IN

IN.  He was absolutely one of the best players in the NBA his first five seasons in the NBA, plus he’s been a very good one in his twilight years.  Add in his gold medal and college success, and he’s getting in.” – Jeff Fox

IN.  He was the man earlier in his career, which was unfortunately derailed by injuries.  But look at him now, going strong in his old age.  His collegiate career as a Doookie puts him over the hump.” – College Wolf

OUT.  They say good guys finish last. There you go!” – Ezra

IN.  College champ, 90s icon, burdened by injuries but still playing at a high level now at a ripe old age.  He was THE man for a few years in the mid-90s. A “more well rounded Jordan”.  Well that obviously didn’t happen, but let’s not forget how important he was.” – Dan Bonk
 
“The classic ‘what could have been’ guy. Outstanding college career, an Olympic Gold Medal and several terrific NBA years. IN.” – brumbygg
 
IN.  A well-known and outstanding college career saves the guy – one of the best college defenders of this generation.  There was a time where he was expected to be the next Jordan… before a series of soul-crushing injuries turned him into merely a ‘good player’.” – Don 

Kevin Durant – Seattle Supersonics/Oklahoma City Thunder – 2007 – present

Career NBA Averages: 25.9 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 2.7 apg, 1.2 spg  

NBA Accomplishments:

- two-time NBA All-Star
- two-time All-NBA selection
- NBA Rookie of the Year
- NBA All-Rookie Team

International Accomplishments:

- 2010 FIBA World Championship gold medalist
- 2010 FIBA World Championship MVP 

NCAA Accomplishments:

- National Player of the Year
- first team All-American

Hall of Fame Consensus: OUT

OUT.  He’s not Hall-ready yet, but he’s damn close for such a young player.  His NCAA and international prowess definitely helps his cause.” – Jeff Fox

“OUT.  Too early for inclusion, but he’s clearly on the fast track to a guaranteed spot in the HOF.” – College Wolf

OUT.  K.D. did a lot of things even before the NBA, so I’ve no doubt he’ll accomplish plenty before he hangs it all up. But until then…” – Ezra
 
“OUT.  Too early.  But he definitely will someday, barring major injury.” – Dan Bonk
 
Possibly a little early to be discussing Durant, but if he keeps going at the same clip he’s IN.” – brumbygg

“OUT.  At this point in time, I’m going with nuh-uh.  Durant has enormous potential, and his Thunder could well be one of the powerhouses of Western Conference basketball.  But to this point in time there’s just not enough on his resume in a league that’s more star-studded than a Gaga costume.  Poignant tho’, that at this point in time we’re even considering him.  Greg Oden is on the verge of becoming a cautionary tale… I wonder how often Portland wonder “what if?”" - Don 
  

Marcus Camby – Denver Nuggets, Los Angeles Clippers, Portland Trailblazers – 1996 – present

Career NBA Averages: 10.0 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 1.9 apg, 1.0 spg, 2.5 bpg 

NBA Accomplishments:

- one-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year
- four-time NBA All-Defensive Team selection
- tenth all-time in blocks per game in the NBA
- NBA All-Rookie Team

NCAA Accomplishments:

- National Player of the Year
- first team All-American

Hall of Fame Consensus: OUT

OUT.  I probably shouldn’t even have put him up for consideration, but I do feel like he’s been underrated his whole career.” – Jeff Fox

“OUT.” - College Wolf

OUT.  Gotta hand it to Camby for being in the league this long after all those injuries. He’s got some nifty awards in college, but guys like Mourning, Mutombo and Wallace did more in their career.” – Ezra 

“OUT.  I was surprised to see him on this list.”Dan Bonk
 
“OUT. 
He gets in right after T-Mac, Bosh and Bran Scalabrine.” - brumbygg
 
Actually closer than a lot of people are going to give him credit for.  We all know his NBA career, but he had a better HS career than most NBA players, and college?  He is second all-time in total blocked shots at the University of Massachusetts and the fourth-ever college player to have at least 300 total career blocked shots (336).  In the ’95/96 season, he was generally accepted as the best player in college hoops, winning the John R. Wooden Award and the Naismith College Player of the Year.  In the NCAA tourney that year, he broke records with 43 blocks in 11 games.  There was a bit of infamy involved that year too – Camby accepted cash from sports agents, and the UMass Final Four was nullified.  Regardless, the guy was an amazing college player.  It’s a near thing, but I’m gonna go with yes.  IN.” – Don 

Ron Artest- Chicago Bulls, Indiana Pacers, Sacramento Kings, Houston Rockets, Los Angeles Lakers – 1999 – present

Career NBA Averages: 14.8 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 3.0 apg, 1.9 spg

NBA Accomplishments:

- member of one NBA championship team
- one-time NBA All-Star
- one-time All-NBA selection
- one-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year
- four-time NBA All-Defensive Team selection
- NBA All-Rookie Team

NCAA Accomplishments:

- third team All-American

Hall of Fame Consensus: OUT

OUT.  For the All-Crazy Hall of Fame, IN.” – Jeff Fox

“OUT.  I hope Don doesn’t hate me for this, but ‘NO’… and it’s not even close.” – College Wolf
 
“OUT.  His infamous incident in Detroit permanently damaged his HOF consideration. But will anyone ever forget about World Peace?” – Ezra

“OUT.  Once again, very surprised he’s even being considered.” - Dan Bonk
 
“Not enough as a player and I think his ‘indiscretions’ give him no chance. OUT.” – brumbygg
 
I think the possibly-soon-to-be-Metta-World-Peace is one of the more intriguing nominations here.  If you take away *who* he is, then he has the resume.  One of the best defenders of our generation: an intimidating, lock-down defensive presence who could score as well.  However, *who* he is and *who* he has been absolutely must be addressed too.  But who is he?  Is he the absolute menace who was moved from team-to-team, the centerpiece of the worst night in the history of the NBA?  Or the guy who seems genuinely repentant for his past misdeeds, a spokesperson for mental health that recently won the J. Walter Kennedy Citizen Award.  I’m going against what I expect to be the grain, and I’m gonna say “yes”.  I think the distance he’s traveled is amazing, and the guy deserves recognition.  IN.” – Don 

Vince Carter – Toronto Raptors, New Jersey Nets, Orlando Magic, Phoenix Suns - 1998 - present

Career NBA Averages: 22.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 4.0 apg, 1.2 spg 

NBA Accomplishments:

- eight-time NBA All-Star
- two-time All-NBA selection
- NBA Rookie of the Year
- NBA All-Rookie Team

International Accomplishments:

- 2000 Olympic gold medalist

NCAA Accomplishments:

- 2nd Team All-American

Hall of Fame Consensus: OUT

OUT.  Based on talent alone, he’s a first ballot Hall of Famer.  But unfortunately he couldn’t match the mental with the physical.  That being said, I still think he’ll end up getting voted into the Hall – people love guys who score lots of points.  It doesn’t impress me, though.” – Jeff Fox

OUT.  Good God No.” – Dan Bonk
 
“His dunk over Frederic Weiss deserves to be in the Hall, but Vince doesn’t.  OUT.” – Don 
 
OUT.  Borderline candidate, but too one dimensional and is fading fast.”College Wolf
 
OUT.  Probably the most over-hyped player before LBJ. ‘Nuf said.” – Ezra

OUT.  I don’t think so. A lot of highlights, but never enough substance for me.” – brumbygg
 
 
 
Manu Ginobili – San Antonio Spurs – 2002 – present

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Career NBA Averages: 15.3 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 3.9 apg, 1.5 spg

NBA Accomplishments:

- member of three NBA championship teams
- two-time NBA All-Star
- one-time NBA Sixth Man of the Year
- two-time All-NBA selection
- NBA All-Rookie Team

International Accomplishments:

- 2002 FIBA World Championship silver medalist
- 2004 Olympic gold medalist
- 2008 Olympic bronze medalist
- two-time FIBA World Championship All-Tournament Team
- member of one Euroleague championship team
- member of two Lega A (Italy) championship team
- one-time Euroleague Final Four MVP
- one time All-Euroleague selection
- two-time Lega A (Italy) MVP

Hall of Fame Consensus: IN

“IN.  Might be a surprising choice, but he’s the only man (other than Bill Bradley) to win an Olympic gold medal, a Euroleague championship and a NBA championship.  Plus he’s a damn good player to boot.” – Jeff Fox

“IN.  Yes as well.  Manu is aided by his International play here.” – College Wolf
 
“IN.  He’s a bigger international stud than Parker, and he’s got a Sixth Man award to boot.” – Ezra 

“OUT – not a long enough career or high enough peak.” – Dan Bonk
 
“No way you keep Manu out. All kinds of awards, honours and results for Argentina, in Italy and with the Spurs. IN.” – brumbygg
 
Manu’s achievements internationally, in Europe and in the NBA make this one of the easier choices: IN.” – Don 
 

Tony Parker – San Antonio Spurs – 2001 – present

Career NBA Averages: 16.7 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 5.7 apg, 1.0 spg 

NBA Accomplishments:

- member of three Spurs NBA championship team
- one-time NBA Finals MVP
- three-time NBA All-Star
- one-time All-NBA selection
- NBA All-Rookie Team

Hall of Fame Consensus: IN

OUT.  Not yet, but buoyed by his Finals MVP I can see him getting in when his career is done (after all, he’s not even 30-years-old yet.” – Jeff Fox

“IN.  I’ll give him the nod.”College Wolf
 
“IN. 
He’s got some international pedigree, but his strong ties with Tim Duncan and Popovich will carry him to Springfield.” – Ezra

“OUT, but this was my closest no.  NBA Finals MVP is never anything to sneeze at, and I’m guessing almost all of them are in the Hall (editor’s note: only two retired Finals MVPs aren’t in the Hall – Jo Jo White and Cedric Maxwell).” – Dan Bonk
 
Benefits from playing in the Timmy D era. Solid results with France, three rings, a Finals MVP. Hard to keep him out. IN.” – brumbygg
 
Three-time NBA champion, Finals MVP and a European player of the Year.  It’s a near thing, but the guy’s IN.” – Don 
 

Shawn Marion – Phoenix Suns, Dallas Mavericks - 1999 – present

Career NBA Averages: 16.8 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 1.9 apg, 1.7 spg, 1.2 bpg
 
NBA Accomplishments:

- member of one NBA championship team
- four-time NBA All-Star
- NBA All-Rookie Team
- two-time All-NBA selection

International Accomplishments:

- 2004 Olympic bronze medalist

Hall of Fame Consensus: OUT

OUT.  At one point in his prime he seemed destined for the Hall, but his level of play dropped off substantially after leaving Phoenix.” – Jeff Fox

“OUT.  Shawn Marion????  Or do you mean someone else?  I mean… no.” - College Wolf
 
“OUT. 
Ha! No.” - Ezra

What?  OUT.” – Dan Bonk
 
“Will always have the ring, but not enough for the Hall. OUT.” – brumbygg
 
Umm… guy was only ever the 3rd wheel on good teams.  OUT.” – Don 
 

Peja Stojakovic – Sacramento Kings, Indiana Pacers, New Orleans Hornets, Toronto Raptors, Dallas Mavericks - 1998 – present

Career NBA Averages: 17.0 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 1.8 apg

NBA Accomplishments:

- member of one NBA championship team
- fourth all-time in three-pointers made in NBA history
- fourth all-time in free throw % in NBA history
- three-time NBA All-Star
- one-time All-NBA selection

International Accomplishments:

- 2002 FIBA World Championship gold medalist
- one-time FIBA World Championship All-Tournament Team 
- one-time Greek League MVP

Hall of Fame Consensus: OUT

OUT.  But it was closer than you’d think, due to his international accomplishments.” – Jeff Fox

OUT.  Egads, no.” – College Wolf
 
OUT.  Yawn!” – Ezra

OUT.” – Dan Bonk
 
“When you factor in his international and EuroBasket achievements I think Peja is IN.” – brumbygg
  
“His NBA career doesn’t hold up to HoF standards, but his international and European credentials do.  Three times European Player of the Year?  IN.” – Don 

Chris Paul – Oklahoma City/New Orleans Hornets – 2005 - present

Career NBA Averages: 18.7 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 9.9 apg, 2.4 spg

NBA Accomplishments:

- third all-time in assists per game in NBA history
- four-time NBA All-Star
- NBA Rookie of the Year
- NBA All-Rookie Team
- three-time NBA All-Defensive Team selection
- three-time All-NBA selection

International Accomplishments:

- 2006 FIBA World Championship bronze medalist
- 2008 Olympic gold medalist

NCAA Accomplishments:

- first team All-American

Hall of Fame Consensus: UNDECIDED

IN.  Yes, he’s still quite young, but I feel he’s already accomplished enough on all levels (NBA, NCAA, international) to warrant inclusion in the Hall.” – Jeff Fox

OUT.  He’s probably the most deserving of all the active “young-ish” point guards, but even then he doesn’t quite make the cut.  Give it a few more years and he should be a pretty easy choice for inclusion.” – College Wolf

OUT.  I’m a fan of CP3, but a Hall of Famer he is not…yet.” – Ezra

OUT.  Too early.” – Dan Bonk
 
“Another guy whose achievements with Team USA with another few high quality NBA years goes IN.” – brumbygg

“It was recently pointed out to me that nearly every NBA player was a superhero in high school.  This is true, but Chris Paul?  As a senior - 30.8 points, 9.5 assists, 5.9 rebounds, and 6.0 steals per game.  That, is insane.  He dominated and now holds nearly every offensive category record at Wake Forest, and has had a stellar NBA career matched with some phenomenal play internationally.  IN.” – Don 
 

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